I see his lightning as a last resort just like his fight with Mace. Yes, he can break Maul’s wall, but I don’t see Sidious being able to maintain that while fighting Dooku. The only case would be Mace Windu. Then Dooku's superior skills begin to tell again, and he forces OBI-WAN to retreat. If he matched Yoda, why would he be worried about him following him or escaping at all? Sure, he intended to keep Maul alive but the force of his ragdolling honestly wouldn't have been much different either way. The Darth Plagueis novel is not canon, which is where that quote comes from. Dooku is quite clearly intended to be a relative peer of Mace and Yoda when it comes to duelling. Mace and Yoda will never lose a 1v1 to Dooku. Vos shook his head wildly, but the faintest tendril of doubt had already crept in. Regardless, you have no clue as to how long Dooku & Mace's duel lasted -- it could have been anywhere from 10 seconds to 40. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. “She has not taught you your true potential. lol. I never said that Dooku would win against either Yoda or Mace, just that he is close to them. He leapt, sprang, ducked, and tumbled. Only Mace himself ever mastered it, and it was reckoned that only Master Yoda and Dooku were ever able to match Windu with a lightsaber. “Focus! What i have explained fits in exactly with the OPs rules, on contrary to your own beliefs. i think sidious has already ragdolled Maul before and he can easily do it again if maul rushes him lol. Because Mace was enormously, enormously Vapaad amped. Obi-Wan, with his lightsaber, blocks Dooku's lightning more easily than Yoda absorbs it with tutaminis. There's also the fact that Sidious was smiling after Savage headbutted him but he was noticeably frustrated by being kicked by Maul. Palpatine would have never continued firing force lightning at Mace (as the reflections were severely hurting him) if he wasn’t trying to convince Anakin to save him. “So,” he mused. Only Masters Yoda and Mace Windu were considered to be on equal terms with him. Even as he spoke the words, Ventress realized what a mistake it was. When fight starts, Maul's just gonna rush in faster than dooku especially since dooku likely won't just rush sidious since he is more tactical and smarter lol. You know, implying the fight is over. Among the other Jedi, perhaps only Mace Windu would have been his equal on neutral ground: but here on Vjun, steeped in the dark side, his bladework was malice made visible -- wickedness cut in red light.". Evil takes many forms, several of which were played by the iconic Christopher Lee. That's what (enraged) Anakin did to (tired, overconfident, holding-back) Dooku when he reached past his guard. Hell, that paragraph doesn't even address the blade lock. Again, I agree with several of your points. Remember what I told you!” Ventress didn’t dare be more specific. He is above Mace too, even though Mace won. Maul is generally considered an 8 or a high 7. Their blades sizzled, the two green blades striking sparks off each other. @baylord: Well, will have to agree to disagree. Ventress felt a brief flash of amusement as she realized that for the first time, she was actually rooting for Skywalker. Granted that is his lightning and not Sidious’s which one can assume would be more powerful. Where is the blade lock? Lock this down Sidious stomps Lol. Oh but we do, Palpatine spared Windus life when he had him dead and could have easily finished him here, he never tried to use force, you cannot say that he could not break his wall when he never even tried and Palpatine's actor said that Palpatine faked as well, normally that is not evidnece but with all this, it heavily implies that he threw the fight, That logic fails for one reason, Rebels Ashoka was never siad to be Dooku level, Filoni siad that nobady but Vader can mach her, implying that not even Yoda or Obi-Wan can( which is idiotic but it shows you his intent) so using that line of scaling fails and for Obi Wan, Vader never tired to ragoll him or use force, if you are going to say that becuase he did not that menas he can't then that menas Maul could not use force agisnt Pre Vizla lol, by your logic that would be fact, no, not using it does not mean that he could not, he just wanted to beat him with saber but by canon feats and facts he indeed can easily ragdoll them. Colors from the glowing lightsabers and the fireworks reaching a crescendo in the air above cast dancing, eerie light on the count’s face. Matching someone blow for blow for any period of time longer than 8 seconds is keeping up with your opponent, putting up a good fight. I'm not saying Maul ~/= Mace, Because Mace was enormously, enormously Vapaad amped, a solid two tiers above Maul at that point. Her short, fair hair was matted with blood, but she held her lightsaber firmly. This duo is far, far superior to the AOTC one despite the teamwork. He was on the defensive attempting to counter the entire time, but got overwhelmed within about twenty seconds. "Now it's 1v1. He looked like a man who had drawn a winning card in a sabacc game. Such a stupid thread. Yoda didn’t use the force significantly in that fight as he is more of a passive force user. Especially when they canonically are. ummmm.... What? Dooku and Sidious both went against a Yoda that didn’t use force abilities offensively, and while Dooku ultimately would have lost, he faired very well. As you can see in the second gif, he already did that, proceeded to slam him into a wall hard enough to crack the stone, and throw him off of it onto the ground as well. It puts you around 2 sub-tiers down from them, which is the difference between Ventress and Dooku. “ Upon arrival, Sidious declared the Sith brothers to be his rivals. “I’ll take care of him!”. Why? What's to say something like that's not gonna happen especially when Dooku and maul have way worse teamwork than anakin and Obi-Wan. @richard96 I agree with most of the stuff u said about sidious being able to ragdoll maul but bloodlusted maul can still hold his own for a little while in sabers in my opinion. The same goes for enraged Maul, who can compete with Sidious in such an amplified state as he is in this thread: Uhh, Obi-Wan could not fight Dooku either, if you recall: Dooku losing to Anakin must have lowered Yoda's opinion of him. He desired to fight them just for enjoying the fight. He is competent enough to stay alive for a short duration, but not to win. She would not let Dooku and the dark side have him. The OP states Sidious will be toying and being his usual cocky self to begin with. Vos leaned against the wall, panting, his torso slick with blood and sweat. It supports My case, and fits with the OPs conditions. What evidence or feats? I brought up the lightsaber, to show that neither had an active defense. Period. The only skill showing involved in Anakin & Qui-Gon's actions would be that they managed to slip their hand through their opponent's defenses -- everything that follows would fall under external circumstances. Vos bellowed, springing back and shoving hard with his left hand. Sidious and Vadakin are above their opponents, but they can lose. That is what close is. Does this mean Kenobi and Padawan Anakin is "a match" for Dooku, and close to him in level? He stood tall, imposing, and as Vos raced toward him, Dooku didn’t flinch. "It supports My case, and fits with the OPs conditions.". What I meant was rage amped Maul is probably not going to get stomped as easily in the force as he was when he was base Maul. What is with you and citing non-canon sources? He was but new Galaxy of adventures series showed that Yoda was extremly holding back and toying not to kill him and he did not want to use force on him, Dooku is not close to Yoda level, the fight between them had a context that i explained above and Maul is fodder, he can one-shot him while fighting Dooku and then wreck him. They were so close that Vos could smell the floral scent of wine on Dooku’s breath. Dooku will make a better battle of it before he drops, he will do better against him than he did against Yoda, obviously. That never happened. She vaulted down to the third, lowest level. I’ve debated with people who simply say what they think helps their argument even if it is completely wrong factually. Yoda also attempted to use the force offensively on Palpatine, but wasn't successful. “And this way, he can’t summon droids to improve his odds.”, “Excellent point,” Kenobi conceded. Oh cool... the one where Dooku literally admitted that Mace would likely kill him and had his guards help him? You are of the opinion the Sidious needs to get serious quickly, because he will be going in to the battle Toying with them both evenly. "Doubt it'll happen so quickly if he is toying. Or is this just headcanon like I am presuming? Whoever wrote this source probably didn't even watch the fight lol. Duel in Palpatine's office Palpatine brandishes one of his lightsabers against the Jedi Near the end of the Clone Wars, Palpatine fought against Jedi Masters Mace Windu, Kit Fisto, Saesee Tiin and Agen Kolar using one of the lightsabers. Ventress is considerably below the likes of Dooku. So no. I also see it very unlikely he breaks both of their defenses at the same time. By your logic, Padawan Anakin "Matched" Dooku. Unwilling to harm her, Vos took one step back, then another, concentrating on blocking her attack. He was like fire, Ventress like smoke. What evidence are you basing this on? “The brig is--”, “On the level below us,” Ventress said. in shows/movies, that feat was very good and yoda couldn't counter it heck yoda struggled lifting a pillar and x wing. Maul and Savage are no threats for Sidious and the latter held back during all the fight: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/silver2467/blog/darth-sidious-vs-darth-maul-and-savage-opress-what/125235/, “It's true Maul isn't a real threat to Sidious, and it's true Sidious held back, but Maul while amped is good enough to make him work for it, but not push him to his limit.”. If either one of those points happens or is proven true, that makes a significantly stronger argument for Sidious who already was going to give the duo a extremely hard fight. “Oh, no, Master Vos. That's it. “ This is why I said he got legitimately serious after Maul kicked him, deciding that it was time to end the fight. "Of course, he's the chosen one," whispered Gillard. He was on the defensive attempting to counter the entire time, but got overwhelmed within about twenty seconds. Star Wars Black Series FX Elite Lichtschwert Darth Sidious / Emperor Palpatine. Or maybe he can just slam maul hard into a wall and incapacitate him so he only has to deal with dooku. He jerked his chin in Ventress’s direction as she got to her feet and began to circle Dooku. 1 Inhalt 2 Beschreibung 3 Video 4 Quelle 5 Einzelnachweise Yoda kämpft gegen seinen früheren Lehrling Count Dooku und beweist, dass er trotz seiner Größe ein mächtiger Jedi ist. Source: The Official Starships & Vehicles Collection #25. And it wasn’t referring to the part when Sidious tortured him with lighting, because it says Sidious toyed with Maul after having killed Savage, and then, ultimately, he decided not to kill Maul (and just torture him). I agree Sidious wrecks them but why would Dooku do better against Sidious than he did against Yoda?? Dooku made claws of his hands, and Force lightning crackled in the space between him and Anakin. The Jedi Master leapt upward, clinging briefly to the ceiling as the droids realized, too late, that they were now firing at each other. He's obviously much more powerful...I mean, he's lightning nearly overwhelms Yoda while yoda casually deflects all of Dooku's lightning. You claimed it seemed like Yoda was holding back against Dooku, meaning he didn't really need to get serious. He was disarmed in seconds and eventually ended up having had his arm cut off. And what if the op states he would start off toying. He dodged to one side. We all know Maul could have ragdolled Vizla, but he chose not to. The red lightsaber returned to its owner, and the fight continued. In this fight both will be prepared and not caught by surprise. Palpatine reassured him that he would step in. Vos wasn't raised, Dooku was lowered. Not only that, but Anakin beat Dooku, and Yoda specifically stated that Obi-Wan could not fight Sidious, but he did fight and match Anakin. well they were equals when yoda didn't attack him...That basically shows they are equals when yoda is holding back so if he isn't holding back he is stronger. ", Proof Sidious only started trying after the kick. They aren't diving him 1 by 1 like AOTC Skywalker and Kenobi against Dooku, where Anakin recklessly ran in first. "and then there were too many to count, and then there were even more than that" makes it seem like Sidious was outspeeding him in blows and the relentless, blindingly fast assault is what disarmed him, like how you would describe General Grievous vs Obi-Wan's fight in ROTS Legends. If he divides 50% of his lightning between both of them, Maul is either going to block it because half of his full power is DEFINITELY within Maul's capacity to block with sabers or he's going to get horribly injured but Sidious is going to lose to Dooku either way. She was on her feet now. So much. He could short bursts of it to hold off Maul, or use a combined attack of lightning + tk to incapacitate Maul for a while. Vos found himself standing over her, lightsaber raised for the next blow, but instead a smile touched her lips. I am not deceiving you. SMH. Try again. You can not say the same for Dooku. Rage amped Maul tanked all of this and was still fully conscious and could form coherent sentences pleading for his mercy. He's more skilled than Obi-Wan. ROTS/TCW however establish that a better Anakin generally performs much worse, and that Dooku is constantly testing Anakin. Doesn't matter though. Dooku is telling Mace that his death will not end the war. ATOC Anakin and Kenobi matched Dooku for just as long. A second time, the hum of her lightsaber alerted Vos to Ventress’s presence, and he again whirled to parry her attack from behind. yes he is a peer but yoda is still quite a lot more powerful than him and is better at using the force for defence while windu was amped during his fight with palpatine i think. I respect you opinion and also respect your argument. Both droids hurtled toward the lightsaber combatants. She used the Force to shove it and Vos back, and kept retreating. 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